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WeepingWillow's avatar

What's interesting is that here in southern Aus, it's mid summer, but the mood is the same, because with our summer comes incredible heat, fire, drought, death and desiccation. The horizon bends and warps in a Blood Meridian style heat haze of doom and despair, something huge and deadly lurks, brooding, ancient, demonic. It laughs at the attempt of civilisation here and I gather will one day gleefully consume it. Its why the natural rural Australian character is incredibly fatalistic and cyclical.

It seems that the time of Capricorn always brings this feeling whether hot or cold.

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Speculation on metaphysics is mostly worthless because its unverifiable as you say, not only this, but the thicket of views is so dense that not even an infinite amount of lifetimes could lead to discursive victory in such matters.

However there are arbitrary certainties such as causality that come into play with these kinds of questions. That can be inferred and perhaps even intuited without much systematic entrenchment.

It’s not that there are any new composite elements being generated by incarnation, as all particulars have potential existence “before” they’re actualized in consciousness. This means that from the perspective of the ultimate, there is no such thing as “novel” phenomena, even if we make note of the vast diversity of beings and differences in the qualities of various lives. Existence and its categories are without any particular beginning and are ultimately generated “infinitely”, what we consider gain or loss is wholly provisional in respect to eternity.

That being said, fate or karma(causality) just continues in the direction or path that preceding causes have ordained. It matures in respect to “causes” and their subsequent conditions. It’s often why vocabulary surrounding these topics generally have agricultural nuances.

“Seeds”, “fruit”, “fructification”, etc. They are cognitive metaphors describing time and its internal mechanisms, that would be relatable to sedentary iron age peoples. Basically, a person, being, its life quality, and the details of their consciousness, etc, all “erupt” from the soil(potential). They are all nurtured and conditioned by the quality or even location of their planting. Instead of an idea of a particular soul that garners ethereal or metaphysical material in time, we see it that conditions themselves are all that there is. Conditioned existence is nothing but reactive and reflexive results of causes, which is their maturity. This is why the Dharmic positions tend to not suggest the notion of a “personal” or individuated soul or soul(s). In that way, a “soul” would just be the totality of psycho-physical properties(the five aggregates).

So what originally existed was causes and conditions, and what will persist, is more causes and conditions. This causality is without discernible beginning and in truth, is entirely “virtual” metaphysically speaking, as all phenomena is accounted for in registry by the three marks; emptiness, impermanence and suffering.

A being with right discernment and perfected wisdom, experiencing innumerable instances of their past lives or the past lives of others, knows that this process has gone on primordially with the potential to endure eternally.

Beings become gods, descend to hellish realms, are born as animals, humans, etc, in accordance to their intentions and deeds via body, mind and speech.

I don’t think that any conditioned existence is a possessive or something garnered. At least not as a kind of owner and owned metaphor/system. It’s more like instances of consciousness perpetuating conditions that ensnare it further and further into coarser complexity.

Maybe inversely, reversing or otherwise shedding various kinds of conditioning in the event of true spiritual cultivation. As we can somewhat depict “salvation” or liberation as consciousnesses perpetual self-awareness or enfranchisement, hence it being described as “awakening”.

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